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Generally speaking, I only like to review shows, movies, or games that I like, because my enjoyment of those things compels me to dissect, understand, and share what I believe led me, and usually other people, to enjoy them.

This review is an exception to that. I did not like Iron Fist. I thought it was bad. And I, in fact, thought it was such an underwhelming and at times frustrating show that I felt the need to articulate why I think I and so many other people were deeply dissatisfied with it.

As a preemptive to this review, I will be giving full spoilers. If you still want to watch the show, don’t read on. I also am writing this acknowledging that I am of Asian American descent, but will not in any way be allowing that or the choices of the script with regard to its portrayal of Asian culture or possible appropriation thereof to influence my review of this show. I’ve also never read a single Iron Fist comic in my life, so please don’t tell me that if you segregate the show from the comic, it works. The review will be based solely on what I view to be the merits of its scripting and storytelling alone.

Also, this is going to be long. Just a heads up. I’m going to be rambling a lot, because that’s how I write. I’m sure about two of you will actually read all of this, but this is just catharsis for me so that’s fine.

That being said: on with the review.


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I’m going to start with what I think is the most damning flaw of this program, or at least the thing that frustrated me the most and it’s the protagonist, Danny Rand. Danny is not a good main character, and here’s why. The show opens up with him returning after being presumably dead for fifteen years. He immediately expects that he can just waltz into his family’s company, meet with the man in charge, and immediately reclaim everything that he had left behind.

This could’ve just been an affectation of the character. Maybe he’s just dumb and quirky like that, as a contrast to the other Marvel heroes. But it’s not just that. It’s an indication of a pattern that permeates the rest of Danny’s character arc. He repeatedly makes stupid decisions, does not seriously acknowledge or assume his responsibilities, and allows his emotions and poor judgment to lead things awry.

The first two episodes of the show are painful, not simply because it’s slow, but because so much of what goes on is a result of Danny just being incompetent and rash. He forces his way into Rand, makes very threatening and disconcerting gestures throughout his interactions with his “friends” (whether it’s your intention or not, breaking into people’s homes, holding them at gunpoint, stalking them, spewing unbelievable nonsense at them and almost killing them does not help your sanity case or your trust case). It is drama perpetuated by poor character writing, which is some of the worst kind. When Danny’s put into the psyche ward and the Doctor finally believes that he is who he says he is, he follows up by saying the most inane crap that no one in their right mind would believe, thus ensuring his further captivity there. WHO. WROTE. THIS.

Danny continues to get in over his head throughout the show, taking on opponents or threats he can’t beat, setting himself up for idiotic, black and white moral dilemmas, and basically putting everyone near him in danger because he’s incapable of assessing his situation thoroughly, seeing from other people’s perspectives, and resolving any issues by punching first and asking questions later.

Danny constantly allows his emotions and first instincts to rule his judgments, and while it may all work out in the end, it causes a lot of unneeded strife and regret in his life. How many times did you count him royally fucking up and then saying “I’m sorry, I’m so, so sorry” Tenth Doctor style throughout the show? Even two is too, too many. Not when you want to craft a character for me to believe in, sympathize with, and stand behind. There’s a scene in the eighth episode where he’s telling Claire and Colleen that he plans to go to China, and they’re like “are you sure you know what you’re doing?” And what’s his response? “WHAT, DON’T YOU TRUST ME?” And they’re like, of course.

WHY.

Danny has done nothing but fuck up, be a hypocrite, and be totally irresponsible since you met him. He actively screws up reuniting with his friends, getting out of the psyche ward, proving his identity, getting his company back, getting evidence of Gao’s drug operation, interrogating Gao, keeping his friends safe, rescuing hostages, not just blindly following whatever anyone tells him to do, and he even screws up at summoning the iron fist—the one thing he’s supposedly good for. None of those things would’ve worked out had some outside force made it so for him.

Other Marvel Netflix protagonists screwed up, but they proved their competence in different ways. Daredevil was still a force to be reckoned with in the courtroom as well as in a fight. Jessica Jones was a stellar deceiver and investigator, as well as brawler. Luke Cage knew how to gain the trust and support of the people, and how to stick to his guns.

Iron Fist sometimes knew how to do some things but usually he would screw it up and someone would have to bail him out. And you can argue to me that this is just part of his character. He’s emotional and rash but that’s what he struggles with and it’s how he develops. But, I’m sorry, it goes too far. It makes the writing seem almost insulting of the audience’s intelligence that it seems to think we’re meant to buy into this drama caused by and frequently followed up with Danny’s idiocy. And the major lack of redeeming actions and qualities just make him unlikable (to me).

But it’s not just that Danny is a screw up. He also is irresponsible. He becomes the majority shareholder of Rand and seems to have some genuine interest in the welfare and integrity of the company, but he does JACK SHIT. All he does is attend one meeting, tell them “No, don’t do that. Do this” and then he walks away. And then he pulls the same thing later with the chemical plant. Does he do this with good intentions, and does it show that he has moral fiber? Yes, sure, and that’s good. But he doesn’t deal with any of the consequences. He basically holds people to a level of responsibility that he does not hold himself to. He tells people to do things a certain way because it’s what he believes is right, but then he expects them to deal with the ramifications that come with such stark decision-making, because he’s too busy chasing down evil Kung Fu ninjas. And yet he’s constantly talking about how disciplined and morally fibrous he is and tries to give people advice about values and family and blah blah blah SHUT UP YOU HYPOCRITE.

Danny has this frustrating tendency to expect things to go a certain way, do things he wants to do, and then not take responsibility for any of it. Got the Iron Fist? Shirk your responsibilities and run away. Got friends? Fuck them, run off and do superhero shit. There’s a company? Fuck the people who built and maintained it, it’s YOUR company. Now bitch until you get it and then don’t actually spend any effort in running it.

And, okay, that could work if it became an integral facet of the plot that his inability to cope with being both the Iron Fist and an eminent figure at his company created conflict and drama and led to story and character development. But it doesn’t. Danny basically never deals with any of the consequences of his total shirking of responsibility at Rand, just like he scarcely deals with the consequences of any of his other terrible decisions and rash behavior. Because eventually everything just happens to work out for him as a convenience of the plot or a side effect of his vigilantism. It’s. Not. Good. Writing.

And perhaps I could have forgiven all of this—all of it—if I just felt like I had a firm grasp of Danny as a fleshed out, likable character. But I feel like I never got that opportunity. Either Danny is always going into a fit of rage or he’s ashamed of his own inability to live up to the person that he believed himself to be. We get so little of anything else out of him. There are a couple scenes in the first and seventh episodes where we are allowed to observe the quirkier and funnier sides of his character, but that’s it. Most of the show, he just feels like a hormonally imbalanced teenage stereotype, lashing out at people, rushing headfirst into crap he can’t handle, and then apologizing afterward (or not apologizing and letting other people deal with it, or placing the blame on someone else). This sort of thing can work but only if you do it right.

Zuko from Avatar was a good example of this. Yes, he was emotional, had a short fuse, was full of shame, and often lashed out, but he also, over the course of the show, learned and DEMONSTRATED patience, introspection, critical thought, and compassion. Even in his earliest and worst days you could get the sense of honor and fairness that he had in the way that he treated both his peers and his enemies. We do not get much of that from Danny beyond a couple instances of him babbling about fighting honor or emotional control like he memorized a book on meditation.

And with regard to that, Danny keeps talking about where he comes from and how he was raised and the lessons he was taught but we hardly ever SEE ANY OF IT. For crying out loud, Marvel, SHOW. DON’T TELL. I cannot become invested in a character’s backstory if all I’m going to get is recounts of the philosophy he was taught and the responsibilities that were explained to him. Let me see the damn place. Let me see how his formative years went. How did he become the person he is? What were his relationships like? How did they foster the psychology he now possesses and the emotional conflicts he now harbors? Who the fuck knows. Danny, I can’t get invested in you as a character if I’m not given more of a foundation for all of your problems and motivations. This is the same issue I had with Man of Steel and Superman. Yes, I get it. You want to save lives. BUT WHY. Actually, Man of Steel did a much better job than Iron Fist, because at least you did get some form of explanation for why Superman does some of the things he does and has some of the issues that he has.

And this is connected to another problem that the overall narrative experiences. An overarching theme in this show is friendship and family. Danny seems to very, very much value family, as is demonstrated time and again in the show. He holds his name as priceless, regards Joy and Ward as siblings, treats Howard like a second father, and (purportedly) does whatever he can to protect and care for the people closest to him as the basis for his whole modus operandi. Family is precious to Danny, and informs the general philosophy of the show and its emotional through line.

You know why that doesn’t work, though? Because there’s almost no goddamn examples of POSITIVE relationships in this entire show. Everyone hates each other. Everyone is either lying to, manipulating, threatening, or straight-up stabbing everyone else that they have any connection to. Ward and Joy are constantly at odds. Ward despises his father, who is an enigmatic dick. Danny, Joy, and Ward openly show aggression, distrust, and resentment for one another. There’s a scene where Danny calls Ward his brother, acknowledges that he was a complete fucking dick to him his whole life, but still his brother. In that scene, Danny himself points out the vast and irritating dissonance between the values espoused by the show and what it actually portrays. We don’t even get flashbacks, save for one where Ward is, big surprise, being a dick to both Joy and Danny.

So what is Danny fighting for? Himself, whom we’ve been given very little opportunity to care for and like? Oh, no, wait, his parents. His parents are the cornerstone of his life experience and his purpose. And you know who we never get to see in the show outside of the scene where they literally both die? This is another example of the show withholding from its audience the opportunity to understand and become emotionally invested in anything that the characters, especially Danny, is ever fighting for or talking about. What kind of a man was Danny’s father? What did he do? What sort of relationship did he have with Danny? How did he make Danny who he is? How did he make the company what it was? What does the company even supposedly really stand for? Apparently, the show doesn’t care to tell you outside of a few scant tidbits.

So how about the other characters? Honestly, I can’t say much about them. Most of them are pretty boring. Colleen is okay, but she’s not particularly interesting. She’s very similar to Danny, as Claire points out, and functions mostly as a romantic foil. Joy is sort of just your token female supporting drama character who has some moral fiber that she sometimes acts on and tries not to take shit from anybody but generally she does very little in the way of helping the plot along and mostly just reacts and gets treated as a plot device. Howard, the antagonist of the show, could be intimidating at times, but he was largely a one-note character who had very little nuance and room to be sympathized with. And he loses a lot of that intimidation factor after it turns out he’s just the Hand’s bitch.

Ward probably has the most dramatic and fleshed out character arc in the show. They actually take the time to illustrate what sort of life he leads, why he does what he does, what causes him to have the feelings and thoughts that he does, and how he deals with them. Unfortunately, he’s still kind of a manipulative dick who doesn’t generally do a very good job at being either the good or the bad guy (and I’m sorry, but he does NOT redeem himself).

Honestly, the best characters in this show were probably Hogarth and Claire—the two characters not native to this show. Claire especially was good for the fact that she would, on occasion, actually point out Danny and Colleen’s bullshit and what terrible, stupid people they are. Small victories for the impatient and flabbergasted audience members.

The writing is lackluster. There was a whole stealth sequence in one of the episodes with Danny and Colleen where they’re just having banter for a few minutes, and it was just nothing. I almost skipped through it, I was so unamused. The dialogue often feels lazy. Scarcely anything in the script is ever very clever, enlightening, or funny. And speaking of funny, this show really could’ve done with some levity. I mean, seriously, going back to Danny as a character, having a more quirky, funny, fun protagonist would’ve been such a welcome change of pace for the Marvel Netflix shows. And it’s such a major letdown that, while you can see the seeds of it in some moments, those qualities of Danny largely are overtaken by his angst and self-pity. Seriously, Hogarth was probably the closest thing the show had to a comic relief, and she was in about ten minutes of it.

And, okay, let’s address those first couple of episodes. People complained that the show starts out really slow, and I’ve seen some people defend how slow it is. They say “well, you know, people looking for an intense, energetic action show should just shift gears and appreciate its smoother pace.” Bullshit. Slow does not make a show bad. Bad makes a show bad. You want to see a show that’s both slow and awesome? Go watch the new episodes of Samurai Jack. It understands that those slower moments are used to build character, tension, and atmosphere. Season 1 of Daredevil also understood this. You do not.

The first couple episodes are probably the worst in the show because, as people have already criticized, it’s dumb, boring, predictable, frustrating, seen-it-a-million-times soap opera drama. It’s the same problem that Arrow had for two seasons before people finally started to wise up to it and decide that it was BS and to stop watching. And the rest of the show isn’t much better, because while the pace picks up a bit, it intertwines all the Soap Opera drama BS with generic action drama BS. Plot twist after plot twist after contrived threat after cliff hanger happens over and over again, like the show is trying to distract you from how little weight there is to anything actually going on.

Later into the series, you find out that Colleen is a member of the Hand, and had been deceiving Danny this whole time. But, she also professes that the faction of the Hand to which she belongs is actually a “good” faction, as it carries out justice and helps those who need care, support, and shelter. But, Danny, who is convinced that the Hand is just plain bad and evil because that’s what he was raised believing (again, a period in his life that it would’ve been good to actually see), reacts very strongly negatively and cuts off ties with Colleen.

Now, what you had here was an opportunity for a genuinely interesting plot development which could’ve helped imbue the show with an actually evolving and challenging story. Maybe Danny would have to question his beliefs, look inside himself, see things from other people’s perspectives for once, grow as a person, and start understanding things on more than just a surface, emotional level.

But that’s not what happens. What happens is that the faction of the Hand of which Colleen is a member turns out to be evil after all. Colleen has to apologize to Danny for being so in the wrong, Danny is vindicated, he doesn’t learn jack shit, we get another positive relationship undercut by distrust and negativity, and the plot goes on as it always has with no real significant changes or new stakes. That is how this and shows like Arrow or Agents of SHIELD or movies like DCEU films operate and why they have lost their support as the years went on. Some, maybe not everyone, but some people wise up to contrived, clichéd, formulaic, ill-executed BS writing like that.

There was a scene towards the series’ climax where Danny has to make this big moral choice that seems like it’s some huge dilemma that will serve as a making-or-breaking point for the character. And it infuriated me. Because they were delivering it with so much dramatic emphasis that the scene DIDN’T DESERVE. You can’t just make 10 episodes and then have some big dramatic development and expect it to be emotionally engaging. You have to WORK UP TO THAT. You have to get me INVESTED in the CHARACTER and the STORY. You have to allow me to feel like I UNDERSTAND and EMPATHIZE with what the people in the story are going through. You have to fluidly and skillfully CONVEY AND EXEMPLIFY the themes and underlying philosophy of your narrative. You can’t just be like “guy has a tragic accident, learns kung fu, is messed up, learns a lesson.” No. That is how you tell a story immediately after you learn what a story is in the third grade. You are professionals. You are showrunners. You are handling a character which people value who belongs to a franchise which people value. GET IT RIGHT. DO IT JUSTICE. LEARN. EVOLVE. EXCEL.

Now, do I think that this show is just…top to bottom terrible with no redeeming qualities? Like, they wrote the script in a week and gave it no thought or effort? No, I don’t. I think plenty of effort and care, on some level, must have gone into this. But the issue is that all of that effort and care almost comes across as nothing more than an affectation or a mask of the show, as opposed to a foundational crux of its overall quality and spirit. The show just felt directionless, like it was trying to be something great but it didn’t understand what that was or how to do it. I get similar impressions from the DCEU movies (sometimes). It has the look of something amazing, but underneath is just gobbledy gook.

It’s a show that maybe worked on paper, but supremely failed in execution. Maybe you like this show, and I won’t tell you that your opinion doesn’t matter or that you shouldn’t allow what I’m saying to affect you. Because that’s bs. Of course your opinion matters and what I’m saying should affect you because people care about what other people think. It’s what makes art and discussion matter in the first place. But, seriously, you have to at least acknowledge that this is, from some understanding, a heavily, heavily flawed show. I know some people think critics are all full of hot air, the level of criticism this show has been getting is not something you can just dismiss as critics not knowing what they’re talking about. There’s a line. And this is the show that crossed it.

I’ll close my review by saying this: I hope Defenders is better, or else I’m swearing off Superhero dramas for a while. If you want a dramatic and dark show with martial arts and awesome direction? Go watch the new season of Samurai Jack. It even has humor.

EDIT: Iron Fist's action also sucks.

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alternatepony Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
This is by far worst Marvel TV series no argument.

Danny Rand was the worst, what sucks is the way he is written and slight acted as a soft-spoken asian man, but he comes off as a whiny, know-it all brat with moments of parental issues and hipster finesse.

Things it needed more fighting, specifically more mystical fighting with more special auras and posturing about techniques. 

The feel of the show felt more like "Suits" then a kung fu exploitation movie that it should have been. If it would have started out as a revenge tv series instead of ending of Iron Fist then there would be a drive for why he couldn't go back to holy city and why he needed his company back cause it was the only other home he knew.

It also sucks that Madame Gao just became another Hand affiliate group not like another group like Crane School or the Dragon's Forgotten.

Cause only good parts of the show had Madame Gao, Jeri Hogarth and Clare Temple (now officially night nurse)

What really upset me was seeing 
Sacha Dhawan play Davos who could a 500% better Iron Fist, sure he's not Asian but he Indian and had the feel down. If that wouldn't have worked for you, Lewis Tan the guy who played  Zhou Cheng  (aka the drunken master, hand guard), he would have been 700% better.
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grandpagohan1 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2017
Okay.

Personally I loved it. Thought it was slightly below Daredevil Season 1. But hey, that's just how life is.
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey, if you love it, then you love it. I just personally thought it was complete garbage and used this review to articulate why. I'm sure you can find people explaining why they thought it worked really well as much as I explained why I thought it didn't.
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KyleWhisper4 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2017
Okay sure the action sucks...but dat elevator fightt scene in episode 4, if the show was more like that then it could have done better with critics.....other then that I thought the show was okay but it is flawed. Then again everything is flawed, nothing is perfect. Perhaps they need a new showrunner.......
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Steveray886 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017
Do you think this could have been reworked into a deconstruction of the "son of billionaires returns a super hero" if given to a more competent writer? With his "friends" betraying him, his family company going under, and being hauled off to prison because of his rash decisions.
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Probably. The Iron Man movie wasn't really that big a leap from what you just described, and mostly everyone loved it.
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Steveray886 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017
It could have also help connect the show to Luke Cage because he's currently in jail and the two have teamed up plenty of times in the comics.
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They probably want to save all that for Defenders. And personally, if they were going to get me hyped for this character, they should've done a better job with his standalone series.
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Steveray886 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017
I meant they would meet eachother in the last few minuts of the last episode. But yeah, hopefully Danny gets taken out like Jonny Cage in Mortal Kombat: Annihilation For the defenders.
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WDCain Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017
Ouch!  They really drop the ball when the dopey Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon did a better job presenting Iron Fist and his mythos than his own television show.  True, toon Danny mostly just smiles, spout wisdom, and only has one episode devoted to him, but I feel like this is closer to a real character than what is presented.

I was wanting to watch this show but I'm just not into corporate suit drama is which how most of the reviews present it; and that bugs me to no ends.  This should have been a Bloodsport TV show with crazy action instead.  This could also have fitted with the MCU real nice because there is this cool scene where Hograth manages to shew away Ironman and the Pro-Reg heroes from arresting Danny with clever lawyer talk by saying Ironman must submit his armor for analysis to prove Rand has powers, meaning release the blue-prints.  Tony Stalk backs down.  Way to go, Hograth!

My favorite Iron Fist run is the Iron Fist: The Living Weapon by Kaare Andrews and it is the second most off-the-walls crazy comic I've ever read with ninja nurses, cyborg zombies, D-cup demon spider-women, and the Rand skyscraper transforming into a Megazord to fight a giant dragon! It's like what if Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino got together to make Grindhouse into a Kung-Fu flick.  Why couldn't this be the show?

And before you ask, the craziest comic I've ever read is Nextwave by Warren Ellis and Stuart Immonen.
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The craziest comic I've ever read is axe cop.
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WDCain Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017
I've seen the cartoon (love it) but I had no idea it was originally a comic.  Color me intrigued.
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Toolman19 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017
To play devils advocate, Danny was and is still an overly emotionally stunted teenager in a mans body, and that effects everything he does and says through out the series.  The monks who took him in didn't help him and raise him to be a better person, they raised him to be an unquestioning living weapon.  Doubt equals death.  So yes, he is blind to the manipulation of those he has decided are his friends and family, yes he tells people about the mystical village in the mountains where he faced the Immortal Dragon with a straight face because it all happened to him, it's truth, why wouldn't they believe him.  He is a child who was raised with no regards to his emotional state or social knowledge because those were unnecessary to be the living weapon that his teachers wanted.  So when you throw that man-child into a world of manipulation and mysteries, he is going to proceed the only way he knows how, with violence.
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
See, I understand that Danny is sort of meant to be a guy who never learned to fully mature and deal with his ten-year-old issues, and show does sort of draw attention to that. The problem is that the series doesn't really explore it in any significant way. Danny sort of just goes through the series behaving like a child and not really learning what it means to grow up, take responsibility for himself, and deal with his issues. If him being able to control his glitching-out-rage just enough to not murder someone and him deciding to go back to the place from which he ran in the first place were meant to signify those things, to me it was not very clear or convincing.
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2017
Great, Disney and/or Marvel finds another way to completely screw up a character. For a true depiction of Iron Fist, read AvX Series. Iron Fist really shined in that. He also posed as Daredevil in order to divert attention away from Matt Murdock when his secret identity got leaked to the public. Tony Stark contracted Danny's company to build an artificial power source for Pepper Potts after her heart got injured in a manner similar to what Tony went through. Pepper didn't want the power source to keep her heart going to have any kind of weapon capacity like Tony's did.

After reading this review and what you wrote, the TV version Iron Fist has NOTHING in common with the true version of the character.
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Silverlegends Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I didn't liked the ending...
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ErenErakhardDraws Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's amazing how absolute Piece-of-Shit characters like that walk a very fine line between quirky and enjoyable, and boring and contrived. I think a perfect foil to Iron Fist is Ash Williams, from Ash VS Evil Dead. Same principle, really: Screw-up asshole guy screws up royally, tries to fix it, learning almost nothing his entire journey and still being an asshole by the end of it all. But there's something about Ash that's, at least to me, engaging. He's not really relatable, even though he's described as an Everyman. Yet he just hooks you in because the writing and dialogue is witty enough for you to go along with his catchphrase-spewing mug. He still tries to do right by his friends, which he actually shows a genuine connection to throughout the series, even if in doing so, he manages to make things worse. 
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DemonicKing101 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
A lot of your points ring all too true, though for me not to the same degree. There are problems with characters and rehashing themes, but by the end of the show I found it serviceable although disappointing.  
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Elledy92 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Student General Artist
I found the first two episode really bland and i really worried about it. But then the story and the characters improves and the action (although still not very good) got more creative and inventive. It has its flaws but i really enjoyed, definitively more than most that was produced by Marvel Entertainment/Netflix.
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MeaninglessNumbers Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017
It's truly amazing just how bad this show is.
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GreatWyrmGold Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017
If you want a good superhero story, you can't do better than Worm. It's a web serial, not a TV show, but if you're in the market for something text-based then it's a good choice.
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DontVideoGames Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think it's one of  the worst things I've ever watched. I don't even think it has any redeemable qualities. I hated all of the characters, they were either terribly written all the time, or at least very inconsistent, not a single one was likable or interesting in any way. Nothing mattered because the show didn't bother with something as minor as making you give a shit, it was, after all, too busy with having shit scene after shit scene where "Drama happens". It felt like writers were just sitting in a room yelling out shit ideas with zero buildup like;

"Let's have a scene about drug abuse, drama ensues!"
"Let's have a scene where business doesn't go well, drama ensues!"
"Let's have a scene with betrayal, drama ensues!"
"Let's have a scene with a character eating a sandwich, drama ensues!"

Fuck all the characters.

Danny is dumbass, to a ridiculous extent.
Ward is a disgusting piece of shit who cemented himself as completely irredeemable in the first two episodes, and they act as if he somehow did redeem himself towards the end? What?
Colleen is as big of a dumbass as Danny, possibly worse because she's completely unlikable for the first 5 or so episodes, yet the show focuses on her constantly when she's just doing nothing for no reason. "Oh she's doing fight club shit now, WHY SHOULD I CARE!?". And then she's suddenly super loyal and super kind, sure, what a great character.
Joy is horribly inconsistent, and it felt like they had no idea what to do with her ever, you could argue that "people are inconsistent" but she could go from clever and cunning to complete retard to horrible backstabber to loving loyal family member etc etc. Between SCENES in the same goddamn episode.
Gao is a neat character that they ruined completely in this show, good job.
Harold seemed like a cool villain at first but they fucked that up real good with shit, boring writing.

It's been a long time since I hated every aspect of something. Everything was either dumb, boring, dramatic for no reason, with nothing and no one to care about, or just plain insulting. I started to see these issues a lot with Jessica Jones, which also sucked, and Luke Cage was boring. It's really just Daredevil that's managing to pull this Netflix shit off with any sort of emotional investment, and I don't get why.

The only part I liked about Iron Fist was that they had the guy who voices master splinter in that one episode, I like his voice. Yay.
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with you on most points. I would contend that Jessica Jones and Luke Cage are good shows, or at least for about half of their respective runs (I think a lot of people agree that Luke Cage took a downhill turn in its latter half, as well as JJ depending on who you ask). But I will say that I think season one of Daredevil is the only unequivocally good show Netflix has produced. The other seasons are all sort of ones where you have to say "That show was good, BUT...". With DD Season 1, I think you can just say "That show was good" and you can leave it at that. Just like how you can say "Iron Fist was bad" and leave it at that.
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Trollface-Mastah Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And the worst part is?
He never put on the costume!

In all seriousness, Defenders has a lot to fix concerning Danny.
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hopefully he'll work better in the hands of a better writing team.
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Trollface-Mastah Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Amen.
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The-Jasmine-Nation Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess he doesn't work as a standalone character? Maybe they'll improve on him in The Defenders.... hopefully.
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Trollface-Mastah Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Makes sense.
Even in the comics, Danny was well known for being a team player than his solo career.
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The-Jasmine-Nation Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
It's why his animated counterparts worked, too. He's like Black Widow and Hawkeye. He works as a team player.
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Trollface-Mastah Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Exactly.
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The-Jasmine-Nation Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
The fairest criticism I've heard is from Brad Jones. He says the show's not bad, but Finn Jones sucked. 
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Trollface-Mastah Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Here's hoping that the Defenders gives him better material to work with.
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The-Jasmine-Nation Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I know they will. So far, the considered worst movie from the MCU is Thor The Dark World, and even that has some positive reviews.
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Trollface-Mastah Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
True once again.
On that note; Ragnarok!
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Monkeyfreed Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017
I pretty much hated Danny on his first scene, no joke. He comes in all hobo like, and says he's a dead man. When someone calls security, I expected him to go away, and then he has to spend the rest of the episode trying to prove himself. Maybe he heads off to the street, helping people, trying to meet his childhood friends, getting a lawyer for his case, clean himself up, readjust to his old life, try to understand the plight of the city to help. Maybe even train! 

Nah, instead he beats up security who were only doing their job. 

At that moment... I knew what show I was in for.
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Edited Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Like Claire said, Danny and Colleen were seriously disturbed people who used violence as their solution for everything. Imagine how different Luke Cage would've been if that's what he did, especially when he honestly was just a bigger physical threat to everyone than Danny ever was.
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Monkeyfreed Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017
If these people wrote Luke Cage...

People: Cottonmouth is beating us up! We blame you!

Like Cage: I'LL MURDER YOU ALL FOR THAT!

<Beats them all up>

Luke Cage: I AM NOT A DANGER!

I liked the scene cause Luke Cage came off not as a thug, but someone you could actually walk up too and ask for help. For all my love of Superman and Batman, they come off as antisocial at times. Luke Cage I could see just walking the streets and helping a little girl with a cat stuck in a tree. Danny however, I can't see him helping someone unless it benefits him, which I wouldn't hate... unless the show acknowledged it!

Worst part? The actor says Danny will be the MORAL CENTER of the defenders.
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Edited Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh god, that's horrifying. That's like if you made Tony Stark the moral center of the Avengers. Which, you know, not a knock on Tony Stark because that's the point of his character and the reason Civil War happens--it's not a horrific side effect of bad writing.
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Monkeyfreed Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017
I think it would be more accurate to say that the Hulk is the moral center.

Not Bruce... the Hulk.
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JMFAnimations8 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2017  Hobbyist Filmographer
After binge watching Iron Fist I can honestly say it was "okay". Some parts I didn't like and the fight scenes are just amazing. Story was kinda giving me Luke Cage vibes, in that I mean it was rushed near the end.

My main complaint was that, I really did not like Danny Rand as a character. He was selfish and driven by revenge. Now that is common, but the fact that he makes the dumbest choices and pulls it off out of luck annoys me.

When they introduced Dazos he was basically Danny's wake up call.

But overall, this was basically setting up hype for the Defenders.  
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If this was meant to hype me for Defenders, it had the complete opposite effect.
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JMFAnimations8 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Filmographer
Same, I feel like after Jessica Jones Iron fist and Luke Cage were trying too hard to be similar to Daredevil. Both are their own thing, but it just didn't click with me.
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Imperfect-Chaos Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2017
Nice venting. I basically agree with everything.

I just finished it today, and Danny not being a protagonist we can actually like and empathize with was definitely my biggest disappointment with the series. I can totally buy that his emotional problems are caused by his unresolved trauma, but they never pay that off even at the end. Some lights remind him of the eyes of a dragon in a cave and now he's emotionally stable? I can't even begin to imagine how any of the writers thought that was worth watching their protagonist be offensively unlikable for the rest of the series.

Ironically, I'm wondering now if they had actually used the psychiatric ward plot line at the beginning to address those real issues of his and not just his idiocy-created false ones, then set him on an actual recovery arc throughout the rest of the season from that starting point, might it have actually worked? Not sure right now, but that sounds better to me than just having him go through angry flashes all the time followed by apologies we know are empty since he's not trying to do anything to change. It might have also been more respectful of that field of medicine.

Or, even better, maybe he could have just been well-adjusted and funny from the start like you suggest? I guess on Netflix we still can't have our superheroes enjoying themselves.
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Hey Neodusk, a bit off topic, but will you be giving your thoughts on Mass Effect Andromeda once the full game comes out?
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe. It'll depend on if I end up feeling strongly about the game.
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WingedAngel94 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017
Understandable. By chance, do you have concerns with the recent facial and walking animation issues that people have been posting?
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well reviews are out now, and the facial animations seem to be just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the games myriad technical issues. Unfortunately, it seems like the consensus is that Andromeda is not the masterpiece people were hoping for.
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WingedAngel94 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017
Really? I understood that there is some issues with planet scanning and some people being bored with it, but i didn't think it's would be that bad.

I've read a couple of reviews myself and they've said its still a great game for mass effect players to get!
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Neodusk Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've read about maybe half a dozen reviews or so now, and every review I've seen has talked about the game having massive technical issues, with consistent framerate drops, texture pop-ins, animation errors, draw distances, etc. I've seen a couple that claimed the characters were likable, but most of them claim that none of them really live up to the characters or character interactions of the first Mass Effect games. Most of them also claim that the dialogue is stilted/awkward and that the plot is, at least at times, underwhelming. And also that the new dialogue system, which was supposed to give you more nuanced and not so binary dialogue options actually makes your dialogue options either so similar or so ineffectual that it feels like they're meaningless at times.

And yeah, like you mentioned, also that a lot of the side activities such as mining for resources are repetitive and tedious. The only thing that seems to be getting fairly universal praise from what I've seen is the combat, which people are saying is much more diverse and energetic than ME's traditional cover-based shooting, but even there there are gripes such as how your squadmates can no longer be given specific tactical directions or loadouts. Now, I'm still going to get the game and see for myself how I feel about it, but these consistent criticisms definitely have me worried to say the least.
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WingedAngel94 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017
I'm playing the free trial so far. I have not experienced any framerrate drops, slight texture pop ins (though not as noticeable), animation instances and draw ins are something I'm not too knowing of.

When it comes to the dialogue, I'm a bit skeptical on it. I have not played it for too long, but the dialogue wheels I have been given does still feel like you have some interesting choices to make. From giving out your opinions on something to deciding on a major choice. It's not as noticeable, but it's still there, which I do like. I also like thar your character speaks more natural than Shepard, even if the dialogue can be corny or somewhat childish at times.

The resources and scanning have not popped up for me yet, but I do think I'm going to be in agreement on that issue. The issue of not being tactical with your squad mates doesn't bother me, as I never really done that before in the previous games!

As for my walking and facial animation concerns, the only one that is a bit off is that the faces do look rubbery at times and the eyes occasionally do seem off, but not distracting enough.


Overall, my main gripes with the game is that you can't manually save, which is a bother because I might lose a lot of progress if I can't get to a checkpoint in time! Besides that, I am enjoying the game! A lot of people are giving a 6/10 or a 7/10 rating. To me, I think it's about a 7.5/10 or a 8/10. Plus, there will be future updates that fixes some of these issues, so I think it's going to be a great game to play! It's not a masterpiece, but it's still very good!
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